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Overheats when
in heavy traffic or after extended idling
Overheats when
driving at speed, or on repeated, heavy acceleration
Overheats
immediately after coming off highway
Overheats any
time, or
erratically
Overheats seconds after the car is started
Seems to run slightly too hot all the time,
gauge sometimes nears the red zone
Bubbles in coolant reservoir
Air in radiator, expansion reservoir is full
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Overheats when in heavy traffic or
after extended idling
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Low coolant level
Bad radiator cap
Bad thermostat
Radiator fan not coming on
Failed head gasket
Water pump impeller corroded
Overheats when driving at speed,
or on repeated heavy acceleration
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Radiator
and/or block internally clogged with rust, scale, silt, gel, or
externally blocked
with road debris
Bad radiator cap
Bad
thermostat
Radiator fins
corroded and falling off
Water pump
impeller corroded
Lower radiator hose collapsing
Overheats immediately after coming
off highway
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Radiator fan not coming on
Bad
thermostat
Overheats anytime, or erratically
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Low
coolant
level
Bad radiator cap
Bad thermostat
Electrical problem with gauge temperature sender or associated wiring
Radiator fan not coming on
Overheats seconds after the car is started
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Electrical
problem with gauge
temperature sender or associated wiring
Seems
to run slightly too hot all the time, gauge sometimes nears the red zone
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Radiator
and/or block internally clogged with rust, scale, silt, gel, or
externally blocked
with road debris
Bad radiator cap
Bad
thermostat
Radiator fins
corroded and falling off
Lower
radiator
hose collapsing
Radiator fan not coming on
Bubbles in coolant expansion reservoir
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Bad
radiator cap
Failed head gasket
Failed water pump seal admitting air from suction side
Air in radiator, but expansion reservoir full
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Coolant leak
Too much air in system after fluid change
Bad radiator cap
Bad seal between radiator cap and expansion reservoir
Failed head gasket
Low coolant level
Can
be caused by many, many things. Among them,
If the
coolant is allowed to get low, the water pump can't circulate it
through the radiator at idle, so heat cannot be removed. Normally the
pump can circulate even low coolant if the pump spins fast enough, so a
low
coolant level generally will not cause overheating at speed.
If the low coolant level is accompanied by an expansion reservoir level
that's much higher than normal, your rad cap or head gasket is suspect.
Age, or the use of inexpensive silicated coolants will wear the water
pump seals rapidly, causing premature leakage.
The water pump has a small "weep hole" in it, and
a noticeable drop in coolant level over several months is normal. You
need to keep an eye on the level and top it up once in a while.
Air in the system is very bad. Your cooling system is meant to operate
with all parts and surfaces completely immersed in coolant, as that's
how the anti-corrosion properties of the coolant work. Air equals
corrosion. Also, with air in it, the system cannot be pressurized,
which is one way boiling is controlled. Boiling (or vaporization of the
coolant) is just as bad as a low level.
If the engine starts to overheat at idle, or in heavy traffic, and the
gauge goes down when you rev it, the coolant is probably low. Best to
check.
Radiator
or block internally clogged with rust, scale, silt, gel, or externally
blocked
with road debris
The
radiator is the engine's main heat exchanger. Unless coolant can pass
freely through it at the speed the water pump and thermostat want to
push it, it can't get rid of the heat it needs to get rid of, and
deposits prevent fluid movement.
Any deposits at all in the
radiator are bad and are caused by one of more of the following:
- Incorrect
coolant
- Mixing
incompatible coolants
- Old,
corrosive coolant
- Use
of tap water to mix with aftermarket coolants
When you
pull the rad cap off and shine a flashlight inside, the coolant should
be transparent (plus whatever color it was when put in), and the fins
should be clearly visible.
If the fluid is murky, brown, smells like rubber, goopy, or if the fins
have white, crusty deposits on them, you've got circulation problems,
and likely corrosion problems inside the engine.
Old coolant gets acidic and corrosive, and will eat all sorts of
internal parts, from your head gasket to the water pump impeller. It
also cannot carry heat as effectively as fresh coolant.
Inexpensive
silicated coolants (the cloudy stuff) can cause silt to build up in the
engine's water jacket as well as the rad, providing an impediment to
free flow of coolant. Honda emphatically recommends that you use their
coolant and no other in their cars.
Coolant should be changed every two years with a non-silicate,
non-borate type. Long-Life coolant is supposed to be good for five
years, but I've never personally been comfortable with that. I change
mine every two years or less.
Mixing coolants of different formulations can destroy the
corrosion-inhibitors, leaidng to rapid corrosion, water pump,
thermostat and radiator failure, as well as head gasket problems.
From Valvoline's Web site comes this
PDF file on that subject.
If that PDF doesn't work, try here
for a local copy.
More on coolant and coolant compatibility from Car and Driver
magazine's Patrick Bedard:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=2334&page_number=1
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=2264&page_number=1
It's always best to be safe and use Honda's own Type 2 premix.
A radiator problem peculiar to Northern regions is
external corrosion of the
fins. This is caused by winter and road salt,
and reduces the fins to a white powder. The fins then crumble and fall
off, and once they do, that section of the radiator cannot exchange
heat with the outside air. Run your hand gently over the fins at the
middle of the rad's core, at the very bottom, under the bumper. If
they're crumbly, you'll know.
Warmer areas may suffer from sand, pine needles and other debris
embedded in the lower half of the rad, which prevent air movement
through the rad and thus impair heat exchanging.
Bad radiator cap
The
radiator cap does several things. It
- seals
the system against the outside world (main seal function)
- keeps
the system pressurized when needed, so as to raise the boiling point of
the coolant
- allows
excess pressure and coolant expansion to vent to the expansion
reservoir (pressure seal function)
- allows
coolant to return to the radiator when the engine cools down (return
seal function)
As you may have gathered from
the above section, the radiator cap has three
seals, any of which may fail independently of the others:
- The main seal
is the one that seals the cap against the top of the filler neck. Just
a rubber gasket that operates just like one on the lid of a pickle jar.
Simple and reliable.
- A failed pressure seal
will allow the coolant to boil at a lower temperature, and coolant
will be able to travel freely and foamily to the expansion reservoir.
This will
cause localized hot-spots inside the engine, which can lead to
premature head warpage, and may hasten head gasket failure. It will
also cause the rad coolant level to be low, just like a failed head gasket.
- A failed return seal
will prevent the coolant from returning to the radiator as the rad
cools off, causing a vacuum that can collapse the radiator's hoses.
This will prevent the coolant from circulating if the hoses don't
re-expand as the engine warms up.
A
bad rad cap can cause similar symptoms
to a failed head gasket, so it's a cheap
first step to try before bringing it in. If you replace the
rad cap and you still have bubbles in the coolant (or foam in the
reservoir), then suspect the
head gasket.
If
the engine starts to overheat at idle, or in heavy traffic, and the
gauge goes down when you rev it, the coolant is
probably low.
Moreover, a neglected cooling system can load up the cap with crud and
corrosion,
preventing proper coolant flow in and out through it. Peel the seals
back with your fingernail to check for goop. If you find any, a blast
with a garden hose and probing with a toothpick should clear most of it
out.
But anyway, a new rad cap is less than $20. Make a habit to change it
every 5
years, just in case. It's pretty important.
Bad thermostat
This
part is the traffic cop that controls when the coolant is allowed to
circulate and when it isn't. It's the device that's meant to quickly
allow the
engine to warm up to its design temperature, but no hotter than that.
Thermostats can
stick shut or open, get lazy, or fail to open at the
correct temperature. Depending on how and when they fail, they will
cause either overheating or underheating. Overheating usually happens
when the thermostat fails to open,
or fails to open enough. If
it fails to close, the engine
will run too cool, causing all sorts of
other problems.
A cooling system
full of rust, scale, silt, or gel will interfere with
the thermostat's operation, causing even more cooling problems. Gunk can plug up the thermostat, causing
overheating, or make it stick open, causing underheating. Incorrect
installation of the thermostat
(can be done, even by professionals!) will also interfere with
thermostat operation.
Normally mounted in
the top of the lower
rad hose in modern Hondas, the thermostat senses engine heat in the
coolant. It is
supposed to open up when the coolant in the block has warmed up enough,
allow the cooled coolant in the rad to flow into the block, pushing the
hot coolant from the block into the rad.
When the thermostat is closed, a small bypass hose allows coolant to
circulate through the engine block, around the business end of the
thermostat, through the water pump, and back around again. This keeps
block
temperature even, and helps the thermostat warm up as well. Once the
thermostat opens, the bypass is closed off by means of a special
extension on the bottom of the thermostat.
Aftermarket thermostats are highly
associated with overheating and underheating. Most Hondas
require 78C (172F) thermostats (that's the opening temperature). Too many
aftermarket thermostats are wrongly rated for your car and are poorly
made. Your emissions system may not work
correctly with
a different rating installed. In addition, some aftermarket units lack
a bleed hole,
the absence of which can trap air and lead to overheating.
A new genuine Honda
thermostat is about $30 and is guaranteed to
work properly in your Honda. In my mind, it's foolish to trust such an
important job to an aftermarket part. Changing it every 5 years is
excellent preventative maintenance.
A good link with
more info. "Jack" is not the best writer, but he's got lots to say:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/jack_stands/automotive_advice/cooling_system/engine_cooling.html#TSTAT
Electric fan not
coming on
The
engine's heat is removed from the coolant through the radiator. When
you drive, the motion of your car is enough to
push
sufficient air through the radiator to effect proper cooling, but when
you are stopped, or moving slowly in heavy traffic, your radiator needs
help. This is what the fan does: It pulls air through the rad when the
rad isn't moving.
The problem is that, in order to work, it needs to be turned on. There
are various fuses, sensors, switches, relays, and several yards of
wiring and connections concerned with turning the fan on, and they do
go bad. The fan motor itself is very robust, and rarely goes bad.
The fan switch is immersed in coolant. When the coolant gets hot
enough, the switch closes, and grounds either the fan itself, or a
relay, which then provides power to the fan.
In some cars, if the coolant in the rad is too low, the fan switch may
not be fully immersed in coolant and would thus sense a false
temperature and not switch the fan on. Some cars have the fan switch
deep at the bottom of the cooling jacket, others have it higher up.
Higher up is more prone to this issue. Keep in mind that all but the
very newest Hondas use two
Wiring and connectors on older cars begin to corrode and break down,
which cause their own headaches.
Older Hondas (my '91 Integra for instance), have no relay for the fan
switch. The switch simply grounds the fan, allowing current to flow,
and the fan to come on. (The fan itself still has a relay though.)
Here is some troubleshooting information on this
setup.
Newer Hondas use a relay to help insulate the switch from having to
carry the full current that the fan's drawing. The idea is to help the
switch last longer, but the downside is a bit more complexity and more
parts to fail.
Thanks to poster Remco,
here is an extensive
troubleshooting guide for this type of installation.
switches: One for the fan, one for the temperature gauge. This means
that a gauge reading will not necessarily coincide with what's actually
happening inside the engine. Bottom line: Check your coolant level in
the rad AND the expansion tank, just in case.
(Note to users of Netscape, Mozilla and Firefox: Remco's page was designed for
Internet Explorer. If you have trouble with the text being jumbled and
difficult to read, reset your Fonts down one size as shown below, view the
page, then set it back up again).

Failed
head gasket
When the gasket goes, typically the first thing that happens is
that
combustion chamber gases are pumped into the water jacket. You will see
this as bubbles in the expansion reservoir. This will quickly lead to
low coolant level in the engine, and overheating at idle, even if the
fan comes on, since the water pump can't move the coolant around
properly any more.
If
the engine starts to overheat at idle, or in heavy traffic, and the
gauge goes down when you rev it, the coolant is low.
The symptoms are similar to a failed rad cap. If you top up the rad,
replace the rad cap and the problem persists, the head gasket is
definitely questionable. To confirm this, a garage can apply a pressure test (NOT a "compression
test"), where air is blown into each cylinder in turn until the
technician sees bubbles in the radiator. If no bubbles are seen, the
problem is elsewhere, such as an external leak.
This
can be accompanied by an expansion reservoir level that is much higher
than normal, and which does not go down once the engine cools off.
If you choose to simply add fluid and ignore the issue, eventually oil
and coolant will begin mixing together, and coolant will get sucked
into the combustion chamber. Ignoring this is a good way to toast a
perfectly good engine. Get it fixed early and there will be no further
issues.
More
on coolant and how corrosive coolant can cause problems, from Car and
Driver magazine's Patrick Bedard:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=2334&page_number=1
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=2264&page_number=1
Bad seal between
radiator cap and expansion reservoir, or too much air in system after
fluid change
When coolant expands, it needs to go someplace temporarily so it
doesn't burst hoses or blow the rad. The expansion reservoir is where
it goes.
The fluid pushes out of the pressure seal in the rad cap, and travels
down the skinny rubber hose at the filler neck to the expansion
reservoir.
As the engine cools off after you shut it down, the return seal in the
cap opens up, and the coolant is sucked back in through that same
rubber hose.
If the reservoir has run dry, the amount pushed out may not be
sufficient to cover the bottom of the reservoir's intake pipe, leaving
the system unable to pull the coolant back in, so you'll end up with
air in the rad, and resulting loss of pressure. If the rubber hose is
disconnected or split, the expanded coolant may end up on the road
instead of the in the reservoir, leading to the same situation. And air
in your rad is a bad thing.
If you've just changed the coolant, there will be some air trapped that
will work its way loose back to the upper radiator tank. If there is a
lot, there will be too much for the expanded coolant to push all the
way
into the reservoir. What this means is you'll have a situation similar
to that immediately above, where the engine will be unable to suck in
coolant from the reservoir. When you change the coolant, take the car
for a drive after. Let it cool down, then check the rad for air. Top it
off, do the same thing the morning after the next drive, and you should
be OK from then on.
Regular checks of your coolant level, both in the expansuion tank and
the rad, are important in any case.
Lower
radiator hose collapsed
If you're using genuine Honda hoses, you'll never see this
problem
unless your rad cap has gone bad and won't allow coolant back into the
engine.
When the water pump is turning, it's sucking water through the
thermostat and the lower rad hose. That suction can cause the same sort
of hose collapse as you get in a drinking straw when you try to suck a
thick milkshake through it. If the hose is insufficiently reinforced on
the inside, it can get sucked flat and coolant flow will stop. When you
let off the pedal or shut the car off, the hose pops back to normal.
If you use aftermarket
hoses, not all of
them will be of high quality, and may be prone to this phenomenon.
To check for this, rev the car hard with your hand on the throttle in
the
engine compartment, and watch the lower hose. If it doesn't collapse,
it's probably fine.
This can also happen as the car cools off, if the rad
cap return seal has gone bad.
Water
pump impeller corroded
The only time you'll ever see this is if
- you're
using a low-quality aftermarket water pump, or
- you've
mixed incompatible coolants, or
- the
coolant has never, ever been changed.
If the
impeller is gone or much reduced in size, coolant can't be pumped into
and out of the rad, so it will boil and overheat.
The one on the right is actually from a batch of Honda OEM pumps that
had a quality problem years ago. Needless to say, Honda fixed that and
it hasn't happened again. (Photo by Mista B0ne)
